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Duluth Protest

These photos were taken by the late Mark Arvilla. Can you guess where and when these protest photos were taken and were you there?

22 Comments

Codie

about 12 years ago

Looks like Park Point beach... early 1970s?

Paul Lundgren

about 12 years ago

I kind of remember protests in maybe the 1990s over some kind of armed forces training where the beach was stormed by troops or something.

Elden

about 12 years ago

Hitlerizing? Making up words like that Palinizes me.

JPersch

about 12 years ago

I think them are Gargoyles on the cop! hehe

Bob

about 12 years ago

I remember this was kind of embarrassing for Duluth. These knuckleheads were protesting routine military training on Park Point that include a beach head landing.

Codie

about 12 years ago

Still... who honestly feels comfortable when a bunch of military guys in uniform walk by? (except for other military guys) I can understand why people would get upset with them training on Duluth's most popular recreational area.

jadiaz

about 12 years ago

Wow Codie, what kind of comment was that? You really feel like you can't be comfortable when a bunch of military guys walk by? Before I assume to much, why do you feel that way? Why get upset about them training on public land? Soldiers are not blood thirsty killers that blindly obey orders (yes there are some exceptions). Most love their country and serve to make it better. Training is neccesary to ensure that they are ready for any eventuality. For beach landings, ect. Park Point is a perfect place to train for this, especially when the Naval Reserve was still on Park Point. Were people protesting the use of the land? Judging by the sign they were ill informed people making generalizations about the men and women who are sworn to protect us and give us the right to protest, sometimes at the cost of their lives. And yes, I served in the Army National Guard in Superior for six years, and yes, I was in Iraq for a year of that.

eco eco

about 12 years ago

No, I don't support the troops. But I think it's terrible they way they abused that guy in the photo for waving the flag.

jadiaz

about 12 years ago

Well eco without the troops you probably wouldn't have the right to that opinion. Second it looks to me as though that guy stopped peacefully protesting by crossing a line he wasn't suppose to. Of course I wasn't there so I can't be positive on that. Third those look to be cops, not troops detaining that man. Do you not support cops as well? Lastly, why don't you support the troops?

jadiaz

about 12 years ago

Ah the Onion. Gotta love it.

eco eco

about 12 years ago

Yeah, I'm generally not a fan of the kind of folks who choose to be cops as well as the kind of folks who choose to travel the world to kill people. You can follow the link if you want to know more about my opinion of the military and comments which directly address your claim of the military protecting my rights.

Sam

about 12 years ago

I'm all for our troops protecting and defending us from foreign invaders.  I'm not sure if Iraq and Afghanistan were actually invading us, though.  Do we really need to spend 15 times more than anyone else to defend ourselves while many of our schools are starved for funding every year?

http://www.truemajority.org/oreos/
http://costofwar.com/

edgeways

about 12 years ago

jadiaz, there are a lot of intelligent, thoughtful, patriotic Americans who have deeply held reservations against the size and scope of the American military. I fully understand that many people serving in the military do so out of love of country, I also believe the US military is too big, too expensive, and too offensive orientated. Acknowledging individual service and strongly disagreeing with the structure of the institution are not mutually exclusive.

jadiaz

about 12 years ago

Eco, I will read that info after work today, with the few minutes now I just want to say that it is ignorant and close minded to make a statement declaring every person who signs up for military service is out to travel the world and kill people. You do not know me, and you do not know my reasons for serving. Perhaps you should get to know more soldiers before generalizing them all as killers. Same with police.

Sam, I would say 9-11 was elements from both those countries invading us. Also while I was in Iraq we gave those people back basic human rights Saddam denied them. Sometimes we need to protect more than just American lives.

Edge, I never said the military was perfect, I feel at times it is too big, however hating policy and hating the troops are two different things, those soldiers don't make policy nor do the majority want to kill and certainly don't enjoy it. You can support the troops while not supporting the wars, military size, spending, and policies.

noozelady

about 12 years ago

While I did not know Mark Arvilla, the photographer who took these photos I do know he was an artist and he would surely have loved this reaction to his work.  Good art creates dialog.

Shane

about 12 years ago

I think that was in 1988 or was it 89? The USS boulder visited Duluth on a Great Lakes recruiting tour.  The Marines did a mock amphibious assault near the Park Point beach house.
  I watched a friend of mine get arrested for jumping the fence and running into the water to try and block the landing.
  People need to support the troops. They are just average people trying to do their job. A lot of people join the military as a way to pay for school. It is the policies and spending that are the problem.

edgeways

about 12 years ago

I think the gray area comes when people see the troops as the instruments for implementing deeply flawed policies. It is ever thus with the individuals that carry out the orders of those in authority, be it military, police, IRS, ATF etc. The individuals may have a complex series of reasons for serving or joining, many of those reasons can be noble. But, fundamentally they are there to be used for violence or the threat of violence to achieve a political/social end. So, while I can acknowledge the need for such institutions, there are near countless examples of those institutions being abused, and being used to increase the suffering of humanity. 

If a group of the military is in front of you staging a mock invasion how do you separate that out from very public stories of people wearing the same uniform doing absolutely needless horrible things? How do you separate it out from an institution that has been used so often as a stick in situations where a stick is the last thing that is needed? 

We rarely, if ever, get to interact with those who make those policies. So, fairly or unfairly, the face of those policies is the everyday solider/cop/agent. And frankly I think that is an intentional thing, it is harder to be mad at your hardworking neighbor who also is in the Reserves then it is at some faceless "policy maker." But, in a sense they both play a vital role, one in crafting the policy, the other in enforcing it, even if it is unfair and brutal.

Again, I acknowledge and recognize individual desires and motivations to serve that come from a noble mindset, or at the very least the basic need to survive. I have some fantastic friends and acquaintances that have served/are serving in the military, I support them individually wholeheartedly. But, there has not be a war in my lifetime that I think was justified, or well executed.

Shane

about 12 years ago

About the original question. If these are photos of the USS Boulder visit and Marine landing, was anyone else there to watch the event?

bluenewt

about 12 years ago

Iraq had nothing to do with 9-11. 

Even Bush eventually had to admit that. 

Most of the hijackers were Saudi.

Farragut

about 12 years ago

Thanks for the update Bluenewt. It was really informative. 

I read that blog posted by Eco, and it was a worthless piece of drivel. It was written by someone who has no idea on how the world works nor anything about human nature. If we downsized our military, well the last time our military was downsized, our country's security was hurt, especially with those bombings in the 1990s. It shows that people who want to kill us for just being an American, that we are soft and easy targets. As a Veteran, I have met some of those terrorists while in service and they hate us with such a passion. It is not because of our policies, it is not because we are Christians, Buddhists, Hindus, Jews, or any other non-Islamic group, it's because they are jealous of us, jealous of our freedom to choose on how we want to live, jealous because we can go to work or to the market without being blown up. If you try to convince that person to put down his weapons, they will shoot you and then celebrate.

ab

about 12 years ago

The end of smelting as we knew it?

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