This guy likes to show off his junk

At 5:23 p.m. Saturday I was driving west along Grand Avenue and had to stop for a red light at Central Avenue. A tall, bald guy in a red jacket and black pants started walking across the crosswalk, then stopped and turned to look at the young lady sitting in the car in front of me. He reached for his belt … and … well … what follows is my thought pattern from there.

I think this guy is going to flash this chick. I should get out my camera. Do I have my camera? Yeah, I think I do, but it’s probably too late now anyway.

Yep. He’s showing us his penis. He’s even shaking it.

That’s right, I do have my camera, but I guess I don’t want a picture of this. Too late now anyway.

Should I take a picture of him walking away. Just in case I feel like I need it? Yeah, I probably should.

There sure are a lot of people around right now. That guy didn’t seem too concerned about getting caught. He looked like he’s probably pretty drunk or maybe mentally unstable. I wonder what he’s going to do next? Go buy a burger at McDonald’s? He sure is walking away calmly.

Should I drive around the block and get a better picture of him and see where he’s going? Nah. I’m hungry. I’m going home.

Shoot, I probably should have gone around the block and checked him out. Oh, well.

Should I call the cops and report this? Nah. Someone else probably will. There were a lot of people around.

Actually, I think I will call the cops. It’s not really a big deal that this guy is showing his wiener to people, but I’m kind of concerned about what his next move might be. He seemed to be pretty clearly out of his mind. Maybe a call to the cops will prevent something worse from happening.

Should I post this on Perfect Duluth Day? Nah. That would be a bit sensational and insensitive. On the other hand, sensationalism is fun and anyone who is whipping out his schwantz in traffic has pretty much signed off on his right to privacy.

Yeah, I better post it. Maybe it will help lead to his apprehension and get him back on his medication. At least, that’s what I can say when people crab at me about the sensationalism.

39 Comments

cork1

about 14 years ago

Hotrod's in Duluth this weekend, eh?

vicarious

about 14 years ago

Shall I make a comment about West Duluth? I shall not.

vicarious

about 14 years ago

Ghetto.


(Aww, man! I just couldn't help it!)

Sinatra

about 14 years ago

Go git a frankfurter at Wade Stadium.

Bad Cat!

about 14 years ago

 Holla Back - If You Can't Slap 'Em, Snap 'Em!
We need a Holla Back Duluth edition!

Barrett Chase

about 14 years ago

If you've got it, flaunt it.

Sam

about 14 years ago

Ideally, each one of us should have that special someone who thinks it is hilarious and fun when one shakes the proverbial wiener.  I feel bad for the guy because he probably doesn't have an appropriate outlet for wiener shaking!

Bret

about 14 years ago

If this freak in on PDD, he's going to be pissed that you didn't get a picture of his (in his mind) "good side."

Calling the cops and providing them the picture is a good idea.

Swan

about 14 years ago

Some creepy guy who looks like Lundgren stalked and photographed pedastrians.

Paul Lundgren

about 14 years ago

@Cork1, now that you mention it, the guy did look like an older, heavier and baseball-capless Hot Rod.

@Vicarious, them's fightin' words, buster.

@Barrett, I'd rather not comment on whether he had it or not, but I might be able to pick it out of a Police lineup.

@Bret, I did call the cops and an officer did drive around the area looking for him. I was asked if I wanted to press charges if the guy was found, and I wasn't sure what to say and never really answered the question. On one hand, I wouldn't really want to press charges, because I don't really feel there was any harm in this guy diddling his wang in my general direction -- in fact, it was kind of the highlight of my day -- but I do suspect he has problems that he wants to project onto other people, and his next act might not be so harmless.

@Swan, I'm not really sure what you're suggesting. The guy in the photo is creepy and looks like me? The guy who took the photo (me) is creepy and looks like me? Some creepy guy who looks like me is stalking pedestrians?

Swan

about 14 years ago

Sorry Paul, it was early... The junk peddler is creepy, but so is the idea of photographing him.

Hillsider Newspaper editor

about 14 years ago

Research has shown that this type of behavior escalates to other more serious things. 

He now knows that it is "okay" do to this because he got away with it.

Barrett Chase

about 14 years ago

There is nothing creepy about photographing this guy, or anyone else on a public street. Why do people assume they have a right to privacy while walking down the street?

Swan, it's 2010. Almost everyone you see is carrying a camera of some sort. Every time you go out in public, you must understand that you might be photographed. And you must understand that if you do something bizarre in public, you definitely will be photographed.

Cando

about 14 years ago

Gah! That to me is the definition of creepy, Barrett!

Barrett Chase

about 14 years ago

It's not creepy. It's a fact.

In this world where the majority of people readily share their private life so freely, it's only creepy if it's covert. And being covert is creepier than it ever has been.

Photographing someone in public = not creepy. 
Constructing a hidden-camera situation so that you can photograph someone in public = very creepy.

Searching for information on someone = not creepy.
Searching for information on someone, making sure to cover your tracks = very creepy.

Cando

about 14 years ago

No no, I get it, it's fact or whateva, whateva, and in this particular situation I don't find it that creepy; the weiner guy is creepier, and there is a good point that he could potentially be dangerous, etc.

I get what you're saying but to me (personally) the idea of being photographed while walking down the street IS CREEPY!

And this guy didn't know he was being photographed. I highly doubt that Mr. Lundgren would have jumped out his car to snap the photo, and if he would have been caught taking the photo by this individual, would have felt almost as sheepish as being caught with, well, ones pants down. So, in a way, it is a hidden camera situation. 

I remember a post awhile back, of someone taking a from-the-hip iphone photo of a family shopping and then proceding to post it on here to ask the masses what their deal was. That I found CREEPY AS HELL. They're a family GROCERY SHOPPING. I know Duluth doesn't have that many celebrities, but come on...

Gordon R

about 14 years ago

Hi Paul,

Call 911 on this type of behavior. This is what the police are here for.  You would be surprised how many people don't call 911 when they see crime happening.

We're interested in the picture and following up on this.  Can you send it my way?  The staff that work out there will probably know him.

Gordon R.
DPD

Paul Lundgren

about 14 years ago

As a witness to this man flashing his pee-pee, I found the event both comical and creepy. And I found my reaction to it comical and confusing.

I wondered if posting about this would make the situation more comical or more creepy. The jury is probably still out.

But maybe what I'm trying to figure out is what a person should do when flashed in traffic.

1) Jump out of the car and tackle the guy in the street.

2) Laugh it off.

3) Report the situation to the police.

4) Challenge the guy to a sword fight.

I chose a combination of #2 and #3, and I guess I don't regret it.

As for the photo, I will tell you that it helped me in reporting the incident. I remembered that the guy had a red jacket and black pants, but when the police officer asked if it might have been blue jeans and a red hooded sweatshirt, I started to doubt myself. 

Should I have posted the photo? Well, it's not really an identifying image to begin with. That could be me in the picture with a woman's stocking over my head for all anyone knows. But it helps illustrate what happened. 

I can't say I feel creepy about taking the photo or posting it or telling the story. But maybe I'm so creepy I don't even realize I'm creepy.

Cando

about 14 years ago

I don't think this photo is creepy. I think  being told that I, "must understand that if you do something bizarre in public, you definitely will be photographed," is kind of creepy. Ah! I will?? 

There goes your chance of ever being flashed by me in public.

(Sorry, not funny. I hope this creep gets caught.)

adam

about 14 years ago

What is the Duluth Police Department's stance on photographing on-duty police officers in public?

Paul Lundgren

about 14 years ago

Allow me to spin this away from creepy and more toward comical for a moment.

After I made my previous comment I noticed that Police Chief Gordon Ramsey commented while I was composing my comment.

Complying with his wishes, I decided to send him my photo. So I went back to the original photo, not the cropped version that appears above. Well...

Holy crap! I can't believe I was so focused on getting a good look at the flasher that I missed the hilarious detail of the sign at the Holiday Stationstore.



I realize this looks like a bad Photoshop job, but I assure you it is not. That is a real picture of what the electronic sign said at that exact moment.

Maybe that's what inspired him to whip it out in the first place. "I got yer big bag right here, lady!"

Hot Shot

about 14 years ago

The best part of all of this is how many penis slang terms Paul has used.

dbrewing

about 14 years ago

Dear Mr. Gorgon R.

There is constant drug dealing/ fighting/ yelling at all hours of the day 
at the brick fourplex across the street from me. It is the one on fifth ave eats up the hill from village place.  Do something ... why don't you do anything?

Swan

about 14 years ago

All,

Yes, cameras are ubiquitous. My issue was paparazzo Paul stopping, photographing and publishing his image felt a bit creepy, voyeuristic or stalker-like to me. In Paul's initial post he wrestled whether to photograph and publish him or not.  Initially, I was on the side of not publishing.

Obviously there is something wrong with this flasher. Is he mentally ill, a substance-abuser or a criminal sex offender? Is it right to make fun of those with mental illnesses? As Chief Ramsey noted, this is also a criminal act and should have been reported. Fortunately the photograph will aid in identifying and documenting this person and his actions.

But had Paul posted the full, unedited photo initially, I would have felt as I feel now, it is f%&#in' funny as hell.

Hillsider Newspaper editor

about 14 years ago

Have you noticed that it is the guys who think this is funny? Women find this kind of behavior very scary and threatening. It isn't funny. It was a crime. It was a threat and I am sure the woman in the car was scared as hell.

Paul Lundgren

about 14 years ago

The woman who was flashed on Grand Avenue didn't appear to be rattled at all. She had a passenger with her in the car, and there were a lot of other people around, so I doubt she felt threatened much.

That isn't to discount Hillsider Newspaper editor's point, however. I would just clarify that there is a difference in how threatened a flash victim will feel based on the situation. Someone who is flashed on a sunny fall day on a busy intersection will obviously be more comfortable with it than someone walking alone in the Skywalk, for example.

As for the gender issue, certainly this type of thing is more frightening to women, because men are generally larger and stronger. But I'd also say the fear is probably irrational, since I doubt men who are about to physically abuse or rape a woman who is not an acquaintance opt to pull down their barn doors as the first move. But I suppose it happens.

I can offer a gender-reversal example from my own experience. I was flashed by two teenage girls while hiking at Jay Cooke Park one morning about a dozen years ago. They were maybe 60 feet away from me on a different trail, shouted whoo-hoo! and lifted their shirts. I saw them later in the parking lot driving off, and they did it again. 

Obviously I didn't feel threatened in that situation. As you can imagine, I was delighted.

But if I had been a woman and two guys yelled at me and pulled out their cranks while I was alone in the woods, it would not have been a joyous occasion for me.

So, yeah, there is gender bias in the world of flashing. Men who waive their trouser trouts in public usually have a mental problem that needs to be addressed. Woman who lift their shirts in public generally become celebrated stars of a best-selling videotape.

There are exceptions to all the rules, but as long as no one gets hurt, boobies and pricks are pretty much the stuff of high comedy.

Gordon R.

about 14 years ago

DBREWING we are working on a few units on this block.  The landlords there seem to want the police to be their property managers.  We could use some help from the neighborhood residents.  Please call me at 730-5020.

Thanks

Gordon R.

hbh

about 14 years ago

"Women find this kind of behavior very scary and threatening."

Please don't speak for all women like this. 

It really does depend on how secure I feel in the situation. I was flashed as a teenager on a deserted country road while I was out jogging. This was scary and threatening. Being flashed while in my car on a city street? Not so much.

Barrett Chase

about 14 years ago

I'm sensitive to this photography issue because so many photographers have been harassed by authorities and even arrested for simply photographing public things on public streets, which is in no way a crime, nor should it be a crime. 

What is creepy is some people's immediate assumption that anyone taking any sort of non-touristy photo in public is automatically a pervert, a criminal, or a terrorist.

Piglet

about 14 years ago

Well, I certainly didn't expect such a lively conversation about flashers, male anatomy and the appropriateness of taking photos of said flasher. 

I think both taking the picture and calling the police are winner, winner chicken dinner actions. But I have to wonder how it is that Paul is always in the right place at the right time? Must be positive mojo!

Had been flashed recently.

about 14 years ago

@ Barrett. You're a terrorist. And as for women being afraid of flashers. This statement is so far from the truth. Why is it always menacing from a man and invigorating from a woman? Well, last weekend me and a few of my friends that are girls got a nice hoo-ha flashing at a concert and weren't "afraid for our lives." Enough said.

dbb

about 14 years ago

Swordfight? I don't know if that's advisable. The sword is obviously this guy's weapon of choice. Might have better luck with pistols. At dawn, of course.

bluenewt

about 14 years ago

Sam, I don't think this guy is showing women his dick because he doesn't have anyone at home to show it to. An exhibitionist typically gets off on the fact that he's showing his dick to someone who doesn't want to see it. That's like saying rapists rape because they can't get consensual sex. Rapists rape because they like to rape. 

Exhibitionism is funny the same way guys yelling disgusting things at women is funny. Even if the woman doesn't actually fear physical harm, the experience sucks.

chickadee-dee

about 14 years ago

As a 36-year-old woman, I would have probably said "Nice. Goddamn jerk," and called the cops.

As a 36-year-old woman with two girls under 5 in the backseat, I would have thought "Nice. Goddamn jerk," and called the cops.  Then would have to explain the situation to my 5-year-old because not much goes unnoticed by her.  I'm not shirking my responsibility here, I'll do it.  I guess I just wanted to say, let's not forget the kids, they are watching too.

Ben

about 14 years ago

Case solved. It's David Ross from the Chamber of Commerce. Glad I could help.

j

about 14 years ago

What that man was doing was NOT in fun like women flashing you.  This man is an exhibitionist and there is actually a diagnosis in the DSM-IV for behaviors like this (several).  Behavior like this almost inevitably leads to much worse behavior so to equate it to girls flashing you at a concert is disgusting.

Paul Lundgren

about 14 years ago

Actually, I quite specifically did not equate those two incidents. I wrote that "there is a difference in how threatened a flash victim will feel based on the situation."

I did not equate those incidents. I contrasted them.

jadiaz

about 14 years ago

I'd like to ask J why those two events could not be considered equal to each other. Why must a man flashing not be in fun even on a busy street , when a woman flashing at a concert or anywhere is? J women can also be exhibitionists, and can escalate in their behaviors as well. Both acts described by Paul are illegal and can net the same punishment. It is not ok or fun for anyone of any sex to flash people. Just because this guy did it on a public street and the girls did it at a concert doesn't make one ok and the other not. J you sounded really sexist in your post, making it sound as though only men are exhibitionists, and that is disgusting.

Paul Lundgren

about 14 years ago

The West Duluth flasher doesn't look at all like Randy Moss, but now that Moss might be back in Minnesota, I'm starting to wonder.

Remember this?



Dana Thiede: "Write the check yet, Randy?"
Randy Moss: "When you're rich, you don't write checks."
Thiede: "If you don't write checks, how do you pay these guys?"
Moss: "Straight cash, homey."
Thiede: "Randy, are you upset about the fine?"
Moss: "No, cause it ain't shit. Ain't nothing but 10 grand. What's 10 grand to me? Next time I might shake my dick."

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