Great, a bunch of murdering feminists declaring war on their own offspring.  I'm so glad that our educational institutions have made their facilities available for these unabashed proponents of baby killing.

It's really sad that we live in a society that believes that it is OK for a person to decapitate a human being.

It ain't name calling if it's an accurate adjective.

hey snuesse, womans body, womans choice.  idiot!

Well, if babies didn't kill so many trees and burn so  much coal...damn babies.

Snuesse,

Abortions are going to happen whether you like it or not. Your religious views are more at issue. Are you against contraceptives and birth control? Why not help stop unwanted pregnancies? Why not prevent stds?

Perhaps you'd like your religion to have more bearing on everyone's life? Or have abstinence-only education for our children, shutting them out from the truth of reproduction and information about their own bodies.


Well, it isn't about you. It isn't about your petty beliefs in some made up folk stories. It is about women and their own choices.

Ah, I see.  You'd like to draw a line in the sand on this issue rather than look further into the actuality of it.  Abortion is taking a human life.  Whether or not you'd like to argue constitutional law on the issue, there is no denying that a fetus is living.....s/he has a heartbeat, s/he has brainwaves, s/he has fingerprints.....isn't a heartbeat and brain activity what one considers when pronouncing a person dead or alive?  Sadly, I think this example may hit home for y'all: A vet cracks open the skull of each puppy dog as it is being born, and uses a vacuum to suction out it's brain.....even though it COULD survive if given the chance.  The puppy is alive, and moving--has a heartbeat, and brain activity, but ITS EFFING SKULL IS CRACKED OPEN, and ITS BRAIN IS SUCTIONED OUT.  Now change the situation to a DOCTOR (who took a hypocratic oath to 'first do no harm'--which is a complete JOKE in this instance) and a pregnant woman.  No different.

I have two nieces that were born last April.  They were born at 25 weeks.  25.  Effing.  Weeks.  They've been complete warriors in their effort to live, and they will live completely normal lives from what the doctors have said.  Essentially, those of you who are in favor of abortion are OK with offing these miracle babies WEEKS after they were born.  Crack their skulls in their bassinets and suction out their functioning brains.  Same thing, different venue.

Now, please take that in to account when you try to justify medical infanticide.......problem is, you can't.

Gross

Sneuse, now you are just lying. You are believing some scare pamphlet that you found somewhere. You are misinformed, plain and simple.

You know what is really sick? Anti-abortion activists that actually blow up buildings and kill people. Do you want to get behind that kind of *actual* murder and mayhem?

Sneuse, it isn't your decision and I am so glad about that.

I used to work for a publishing company housed in the Building for Women, so I had to run through the gauntlet of anti-abortion protesters twice a week and  my interns really got harassed. These people were mean, and, BTW, most of them were men from rural Wis. One of these jerks even chased me into the BFW one weekend when I was seriously pregnant and going in to catch up on some work before I took time off. What if I'd fallen and miscarried? These anti-abortion bullies piss me off. They really don't care about "saving babies," it's just another way to bully women and control them.

BRAAAAAAAINS!

Snuesse! OMG! I never realized the procedure was so HORRIFYING! You TOTALLY have just changed my mind on the issue!...NOT.

Nobody is going to change anybody's mind at this forum. As far as I am concerned it is a waste of time unless you look at it like going to the circus or watching "reality" TV. You just have to enjoy it for the spectacle that it is sure to be.

As for your puppy analogy, alas, it is a poor one. You see, all puppies are adorable, and all babies are disgusting and gross. Therefore it is alright to abort babies, but not puppies.

Cando, you are awesome.

i'm against abortions but i'm all about mean nuns taking unwed mothers on bumpy hayrides in the middle of the night during a severe thunderstorm. or pushing them down a flight of stairs or making them swill draino. just sayin.

There is a legal agreement between the partners in the Building for Women and "protesters" that governs what can and cannot happen there I have read it but don;t remeber all of the details.  But as far as I recall, unless they suspend the agreement for this seminar, many of the anti-abortion folks will simply not be allowed in the building.  

For a real dialogue to take place it would probably be best for it to occur somewhere else.  If a real dialogue is even possible, that is. 

The excellent 2006 documentary "Lake of Fire" presented "both" sides of this issue better than anything I have ever seen: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0841119/  Don't watch it if you don't want to be disturbed

Snuesse, What people do with their lives is up to them. I also don't believe a zygote is a baby, and I don't believe that society should promote the potential of an unborn creature over the actions of already living people. No wonder people feel so disenfranchised these days -- we're doing so much work and yet all the hype is placed on babies and fetuses. I love babies, don't get me wrong, but they are all just POTENTIAL, and we should be focusing on promoting and acknowledging those who are LIVING and doing good work first. As for your comment on the liberal agenda: They're not placing importance on the objects themselves, it's about our dwindling resources, it's about taking care of the people already here on earth. Try looking at the big picture. Now, let's not forget there's an over-population crisis, and if everything were left up to people like yourself, there would be no restrictions on reproduction, and no regard to the planet that supports that population. It doesn't take a genius to figure out what happens then.
So, for lack of a better idiom: You have to break a few eggs to make an omelette.

@Wildgoose, I don't think there was any agreement in place between the BFW and the anti-choice protesters, I think it's the law. They can't trespass onto BFW property and have to stay a certain distance from the building. It's been a while, I wish I remembered. I remember going out to yell at them when they'd bug my interns -- they would agree not to bug them, but then I'd get another intern the following quarter and it'd start up all over again.

I think I'm going to get pregnant and go have an abortion just to piss off Snuesse. That's right, I'm that craven and horrible. I'll send you the video Snuesse. 

Oh wait. You mean I have to wait waaaay beyond the normal abortion window and, you know, pretend I'm not pregnant for an insane amount of weeks to have the procedure he mentioned? I have to travel long distances to find a doctor who will do it?? I'll have to basically prove I'm in serious mental or physical danger before a doctor will do it? Well that's just silly. 

I guess I'll have to prepare that cage in the garage after all.

Snuesse, correlation is not causation, and in the both the Finnish study and the California study (David Reardon's?), causation was not established in the abortion-suicide correlation. Correlation does not equal causation, and many of the risk factors for abortion and depression are the same.

sneusse, the correlation between abortions and suicides stems from most accidental pregnancies happening to mentally ill women.

Maybe they're killing themselves because people like you are calling them murderous monsters.

It's called pro-choice for a reason, Snuess, and you know, not all women make the right choice for themselves. Some women can't handle an abortion, while others can. Regardless of that, it's not up to anybody but themselves to make that choice.
And I have to agree with Cando, people like you don't make it any easier on these women.

Wait a minute! Since liberals are crazy, they can't reliably answer any of Snuesse's questions. Damn! I'm so mentally ill that I might accidentally get pregnant!

Why am I not surprised Sneuss' Post opens with "y'all?"

Again, I fail to see anyone answering the questions.  Which isn't surprising, considering that liberal ideology is pretty much impossible to defend with facts.  No wonder the biting sarcasm and namecalling.....y'all have nothing else to offer.

"Most accidental pregnancies happen to mentally ill women"

Snuesse, you are an imbicile. and i put a lot of thought into that. i'm off to loasd hay into my wagon b4 the nuns get me with their ruler. i got a busy night of hauling knocked up teens through the cold dark woods.

Jim and C-Freak, those aren't my words, they are the words of "firstdone":

"sneusse, the correlation between abortions and suicides stems from most accidental pregnancies happening to mentally ill women."

firstdone | Jan 21, 2010 | Reply   

I'm not sayin', I'm just sayin'.

And again.....zero points for Team Abortion in debating the issue.  You got some namecalling in there, along with a couple of sophomoric digs on conservatives.  Come on, people.....what's wrong with answering the few harmless questions posed to you?  Is it that you can't?  Or does your liberal snobbishness make you believe that you are above this type of debate?  If you're all SO pro-woman on this issue, where is the support after the fact?  

And of course, Marin Christensen apparently doesn't have a problem with women making uninformed decisions and suffering the unknown consequences of that choice.....it is only important to her that the choice is available--regardless of the outcome.  Yeah, to hell with the weak-willed women I guess.  If they can't handle it, it's their own fault, right?

You're all a bunch of poseurs.  Get a backbone and answer the questions.

Snuesse has become the argument for retro-active abortions.

Snuesse-
Your correlation between abortion and suicide is spurious. And where are you sourcing the claim that women aren't counseled about health risk (mental and physical). Give it the fuck up already. And as for the name-calling (as my brother would say) YOU STARTED IT! I think it's time to shut this thread down. It's like a scab- you know you shouldn't pick at it... Snuesse and Big Iron and their ilk must not be happy with the toys over at DCB so they've decided to invade our sandbox.

I am curious about Snuesse's stance on capital punishment.

Capital punishment?  Firmly against it.

I conceded that life begins at conception.

Learn to read, tool.

Also, since you are so concerned with the sanctity of life, then what is your (and Sneuse's) position on war and capitol punnishment.

I am personally opposed to the taking of all human life.  Care to put your money where your mouth is?

@ sneuse:  "why isn't anything being done to inform women of potential post-abortion issues?"

I find your implication to be both troubling and spurious.  From the perspective of a medical professional, I have a hard time believing your assertion, previous BS aside.

Hahahahahahahahhahahahaha! Again, your "info" is spurious at best. Here's a little tip for you. There's this thing called the internet. You can look stuff up on it. And then you can post weblinks in your post to back up your claims about government studies. I am not angry and have not puffed up my chest or been menacing. I've been sarcastic! Oh yeah, that's right- you have no sense of humor (or reality for that matter). Please- crawl back in to your hole. And don't forget your guns.