I wish Bill Isles would write a song dissing James Moors. That would be funny.
Perhaps there should be a compilation album called Duluth Disses Duluth. Both and the Dames could reunite, just for feuding purposes.
There isn't one. I was joking that Bill Isles should start the feud. Bill Isles and James Moors are really nice guys who would never do such a thing. That's why the notion is theoretically funny until I explain it.
Is it a prerequisite for misogyny to be part of hip hop for it to be cool? Make you feel all gangsta, you boi-atch. Ladies are people too ... unless they're peeved because yer a hater and a douche then they are she devils and WTF out! You want someone calling your mother that stuff? Nice beats tho.
@DannyG - Whether the real Sinatra was a jerk or not, and he was, at least his music didn't communicate a message of hate and violence. He was open minded, he partied with Sammy D and Dino, that is inclusiveness.
Point is, can local hip hop evolve to not rely on 10 y/o dis-based cliche's like just f'ing listing parts of the town with trite and predictable rhyming and the degradation of women.
@Bad Knight, I was serious, I like the beats and you sound like you can craft some real music ... that's awesome, now the question is what do you do with your skills? I like Brother Ali, not just for the music but also for the message.
Maybe we should break down which lyrics are so misogynistic. I think we owe Good Knight some latitude on the part at the end about Piedmont girls being "stuck up" and "all them rich bitches from Marshall." I think there's a class hierarchy statement being made more than an anti-woman statement, and it seems to be done in a tongue-in-cheek way to me. I got a good laugh out of it.
I'm not really sure what to make of the other part of the song that might be deemed misogynistic, and I can't make out all the lyrics, but here's my best shot at it:
As the snow keeps fallin' my bro keeps callin'
Go up the hill see the same hos at the mall
Man, I'm gettin' sick and tired of the same motherfuckers
Tryin' to get (???) under covers, then bustin' rubbers
These girls I know be gettin' pregnant
Straight up outta high school, don't know where their hair went
Too bad the Trojan broke on my old homie smokin' dope
Gettin' it, hittin' it in the (???) Minnesnowta
I just don't fully grasp the statement there, so I can't be offended by it or defend it.
@Lundgren - Calling women "Bitches" is misogyny. It's a tired "artistic" cliche that degrades women and reinforces a culture of disrespect and worse. Why do you feel the need to try and denigrate my observations? Sure, I can be acerbic and anonymously make sweeping negative generalizations that hurt the feelings of Duluth's "precious" artistic community but that's what the internet is for, right? Frankly, Good Knight should take a lesson from Brother Ali and others who use the medium to uplift and improve. Duluth's artists need constant encouragement AND direct, harsh if need be, critique or else we'll end up being parochial, trite and worse mamby pamby.
I'm not sure what it was about my further exploration of Sinatra's criticism that came off as denigrating his observations, but I guess I should just call him a bitch and be done with it.
BITCH.
Brother Ali says the word bitch in numerous lyrics of his. One of his songs is called "Bitchslap!" "I bitch slap rappers so hard I give them whiplash." He also refers to himself as a "son of a bitch" on a few records, too ETC. So your argument there is flawed there LOL. I'm definitely influenced by the Brother though, he's a dope emcee coming out of Minnesota. I'm not being disrespectful. On this track, I was talking bout social status of "rich bitches." Those bitches could be men, they could be women LOL. I love women and girls, but not bitches. I'd say there's a difference, in my opinion, but that's me. I mean no disrespect to you, but you gotta do some research on my music before you judge it as a whole.
If you wan't some uplifting music like i said before, check out more of my tracks like the song "kk" or "Look Both Ways" on http://www.goodknightmusic.com and then come back and argue with me.
@Good Knight, nothing to argue about .. your tracks sound good, well produced with an old school flav. Lookin Both Ways has a message. I hear/see you are more than just a poser/copy cat hater. The internet is not a subtle medium. I reacted to what I heard in one track ... one which I thought was a bit trite. On deeper listening, I'm glad to hear a well rounded lyricism without relying on tired hip-hop cliche, keep it up.
@Lundgren, "I'm not sure what it was about my further exploration of Sinatra's criticism that came off as denigrating" You tried to call me out and underscore fallacies in my opinion, so own it ... that's your prerogative. Just like it's mine to make petty and harsh snap judgments about artists on this here blog. At least I care.
Sinatra, you crazy cat, 'bitch' only offends if you take any of this even remotely seriously.
p.s. This entire thread could use a lookover by the PDD Spelling and Punctuation Police. It's not 'hos', it's "WHORES". Ask anybody. And I'm pretty sure you misspelled 'mamby pamby'.
Emmadogs, you best get your punctuation in order before calling the police. Those periods and commas belong inside the quotation marks, young lady.
Sinatra, I thought we hugged it out.
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