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	<title>Comments on: Plan B meets Duluth School Board</title>
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		<title>By: Linkin Mall</title>
		<link>http://www.perfectduluthday.com/2009/07/02/plan-b-meets-duluth-school-board/comment-page-1/#comment-8696</link>
		<dc:creator>Linkin Mall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Sep 2009 06:48:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Harry Welty&#039;s various groups and websites are merchandising their concepts at http://www.CafePress.com/Let_Duluth_Vote and at http://www.CafePress.com/ISD709_Election .</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Harry Welty&#8217;s various groups and websites are merchandising their concepts at <a href="http://www.CafePress.com/Let_Duluth_Vote" rel="nofollow">http://www.CafePress.com/Let_Duluth_Vote</a> and at <a href="http://www.CafePress.com/ISD709_Election" rel="nofollow">http://www.CafePress.com/ISD709_Election</a> .</p>
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		<title>By: The Big E</title>
		<link>http://www.perfectduluthday.com/2009/07/02/plan-b-meets-duluth-school-board/comment-page-1/#comment-6407</link>
		<dc:creator>The Big E</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Jul 2009 03:31:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I grew up in a town of about 120,000 that dropped to 85,000 or so and failed to axe one of its three high schools because too many people complained (it was the high school I wound up attending that was slated to be dropped, for what it&#039;s worth)--twenty-five years on, the school district has never really gotten out of crisis mode.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I grew up in a town of about 120,000 that dropped to 85,000 or so and failed to axe one of its three high schools because too many people complained (it was the high school I wound up attending that was slated to be dropped, for what it&#8217;s worth)&#8211;twenty-five years on, the school district has never really gotten out of crisis mode.</p>
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		<title>By: jay</title>
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		<dc:creator>jay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Jul 2009 23:00:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Both plans have their faults.The best part of the Red Plan is realizing we only need 2 high schools.1 may be sufficient but I do not think anyone wants to fight that battle.
The worst part,that it is being shoved down our throats.
By proposing we keep 3 high schools the Let Duluth Vote are failing to make the tough decisions.
Since the red plan seems a forgone conclusion my concern is that people in the trades are telling me that many out of town laborers have already been hired for some projects.
Any comments?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Both plans have their faults.The best part of the Red Plan is realizing we only need 2 high schools.1 may be sufficient but I do not think anyone wants to fight that battle.<br />
The worst part,that it is being shoved down our throats.<br />
By proposing we keep 3 high schools the Let Duluth Vote are failing to make the tough decisions.<br />
Since the red plan seems a forgone conclusion my concern is that people in the trades are telling me that many out of town laborers have already been hired for some projects.<br />
Any comments?</p>
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		<title>By: Calk</title>
		<link>http://www.perfectduluthday.com/2009/07/02/plan-b-meets-duluth-school-board/comment-page-1/#comment-6389</link>
		<dc:creator>Calk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Jul 2009 15:07:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Reg Iguana, this kind of thing was one major reason i&#039;ve been on the fence -- I&#039;m not familiar with the Piedmont school, but I do think the Ordean location is too small for a high school. The Red Plan indeed has some serious flaws. But the Plan B people seem to have made it a Red Plan or Plan B scenario. I want Duluth to move forward, so, despite my misgivings about the Red Plan, I&#039;m going to have to support it over the Plan B plan, which seems to a bid to maintain the status quo.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Reg Iguana, this kind of thing was one major reason i&#8217;ve been on the fence &#8212; I&#8217;m not familiar with the Piedmont school, but I do think the Ordean location is too small for a high school. The Red Plan indeed has some serious flaws. But the Plan B people seem to have made it a Red Plan or Plan B scenario. I want Duluth to move forward, so, despite my misgivings about the Red Plan, I&#8217;m going to have to support it over the Plan B plan, which seems to a bid to maintain the status quo.</p>
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		<title>By: rediguana</title>
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		<dc:creator>rediguana</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Jul 2009 14:27:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think it&#039;s time to stop focusing on the big, over-arching &quot;plans&quot; and start picking apart the individual pieces of the facilities plan--those that make sense and those that don&#039;t. For instance, it makes sense to me to build a new Western Middle School--a new facility in a more central location that can serve the specialized needs of that area&#039;s student population and not be as high of a maintenance burden. But it doesn&#039;t make sense to me to replace a relatively newly-renovated, large enough and perfectly operable Lincoln Park school with a new Piedmont elementary school on a cramped lot surrounded by houses and shopping malls far away from highly utilized park space. The devil is in the details--let&#039;s start fleshing out their impact, shall we?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think it&#8217;s time to stop focusing on the big, over-arching &#8220;plans&#8221; and start picking apart the individual pieces of the facilities plan&#8211;those that make sense and those that don&#8217;t. For instance, it makes sense to me to build a new Western Middle School&#8211;a new facility in a more central location that can serve the specialized needs of that area&#8217;s student population and not be as high of a maintenance burden. But it doesn&#8217;t make sense to me to replace a relatively newly-renovated, large enough and perfectly operable Lincoln Park school with a new Piedmont elementary school on a cramped lot surrounded by houses and shopping malls far away from highly utilized park space. The devil is in the details&#8211;let&#8217;s start fleshing out their impact, shall we?</p>
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		<title>By: Calk</title>
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		<dc:creator>Calk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Jul 2009 14:12:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tim K, I think the newspaper is doing it to sell newspapers, it seems to be their SOP these days -- manufacture controversy when there isn&#039;t any, and stoke the fires of controversy if there is some. But, I think as time passes, more and more fence-sitters *like me* will conclude that while the Red Plan has its flaws, it is indeed preferable to Plan B -- which does indeed seem to be sour grapes by some people who really don&#039;t give a damn about our children&#039;s education b/ they are satisfied with mediocrity.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tim K, I think the newspaper is doing it to sell newspapers, it seems to be their SOP these days &#8212; manufacture controversy when there isn&#8217;t any, and stoke the fires of controversy if there is some. But, I think as time passes, more and more fence-sitters *like me* will conclude that while the Red Plan has its flaws, it is indeed preferable to Plan B &#8212; which does indeed seem to be sour grapes by some people who really don&#8217;t give a damn about our children&#8217;s education b/ they are satisfied with mediocrity.</p>
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		<title>By: Tim K</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tim K</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Jul 2009 06:22:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the core group behind plan B just has the sour grapes bug because they didn&#039;t bother to go to any of the community meetings, planning sessions, etc. for the long range facilities plan- which, after much community and staff input, the School Board decided on the Red Plan. Now, if you got a bug up your butt and don&#039;t have a clue, the first thing you gripe about is the price. This gets folks riled up and the anti-tax mantra becomes a rallying cry- whether or not taxes will be higher or lower with whatever plan. People will back a plan with a simplistic message: Let Duluth Vote. Referendums for the District have always been a tough sell, so ISD 709 got smart and went the community input route. It&#039;s kind of hard to sell that message when the local media have done such a lousy job with the actual facts and given the squeeky, uninformed wheels the majority of column inches.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the core group behind plan B just has the sour grapes bug because they didn&#8217;t bother to go to any of the community meetings, planning sessions, etc. for the long range facilities plan- which, after much community and staff input, the School Board decided on the Red Plan. Now, if you got a bug up your butt and don&#8217;t have a clue, the first thing you gripe about is the price. This gets folks riled up and the anti-tax mantra becomes a rallying cry- whether or not taxes will be higher or lower with whatever plan. People will back a plan with a simplistic message: Let Duluth Vote. Referendums for the District have always been a tough sell, so ISD 709 got smart and went the community input route. It&#8217;s kind of hard to sell that message when the local media have done such a lousy job with the actual facts and given the squeeky, uninformed wheels the majority of column inches.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Jul 2009 17:27:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well Calk, if what the Plan B folks believe about the plan is at odds with what they presented to the school board, then you tell me what that might say about their motivation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well Calk, if what the Plan B folks believe about the plan is at odds with what they presented to the school board, then you tell me what that might say about their motivation.</p>
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		<title>By: Calk</title>
		<link>http://www.perfectduluthday.com/2009/07/02/plan-b-meets-duluth-school-board/comment-page-1/#comment-6348</link>
		<dc:creator>Calk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Jul 2009 15:09:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>But Paul, if the group believes that it keeps their taxes down, wouldn&#039;t that be motivation enough? I hate to think there&#039;d be anything more nefarious behind this -- who knows maybe it&#039;s nothing more than Harry Welty&#039;s ego wanting to be stroked. And stoked.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But Paul, if the group believes that it keeps their taxes down, wouldn&#8217;t that be motivation enough? I hate to think there&#8217;d be anything more nefarious behind this &#8212; who knows maybe it&#8217;s nothing more than Harry Welty&#8217;s ego wanting to be stroked. And stoked.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Lundgren</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul Lundgren</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Jul 2009 14:28:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Again, I feel like I need to point out that, according to the information in this video and a recent Duluth News Tribune story, Plan B does not save taxpayers a single penny.

So, &quot;keeping taxes down&quot; can&#039;t be the motivation behind it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Again, I feel like I need to point out that, according to the information in this video and a recent Duluth News Tribune story, Plan B does not save taxpayers a single penny.</p>
<p>So, &#8220;keeping taxes down&#8221; can&#8217;t be the motivation behind it.</p>
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